oDesk - its good and the bad side
86oDesk is a popular site for freelancers
I first joined oDesk some months back having heard a lot about it. As a freelance writer I am always looking for more jobs and I was told this site is a good place to look for them.
I signed up but it took me a while to pass a test you need to take before you are classified as oDesk ready. Well, finally I got through it and had filled in all my profile and portfolio details so made a start at looking for jobs.
The problem is that unless you have already worked for employers on the site and have got plenty of good feedback posted on your profile then it is very difficult to get anyone to take a chance on hiring you. I was told that at first you need to work for low amounts just to get started.
Steve Andrews looking smart
What oDesk offers
oDesk basically offers a site where would-be employers can advertise jobs and contractors can submit letters and bids to apply for them. There is an hourly rate and fixed wage options employers can use. The hourly rate is safer because it can be monitored and oDesk can take action against employers who do not pay up. With the fixed rate it is between you and the employer.
It is by no means limited to freelance writers though because there are plenty of jobs for website designers, graphic artists, bloggers, creative writers, reviewers, personal assistants, translators, ghost-writers, and also for voice-overs and other recorded work. The turnover of jobs being posted is very fast and there are hundreds of jobs advertised.
There are clearly marked jobs boards and also forums where both employers and contractors can post threads and comments.
As a contractor you can create a profile and portfolio where you can show off your talents and any past work you have done. This is where you help convince employers to take you on instead of all the other applicants.
In the profile section there is a space where employers can offer feedback and rate how well or how badly they think you performed with whatever the work was you did for them. You get the chance to return the feedback and ratings for the employer too.
It is possible to take all sorts of tests in languages, ability to proof-read, creative writing, graphic and web design etc, and you can display the results afterwards, or hide them if you don't get a good result.
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The good side and the bad side
The good side of oDesk is that once you have got through the procedure of getting set up and passed the oDesk readiness test there are plenty of jobs to apply for, and there is ready money available. Fellow hubber Sufidreamer has been using the site for some time and he has managed to get some good jobs out of it. One of the best I have had there was reviewing a self-published book for $30.
The admin and Support team for oDesk are really excellent too. Each time I have submitted a query it has been dealt with very promptly.
After getting that initial job you are likely to get feedback and that will encourage more employers to take you on. I must admit when I started it took me a few weeks and I was getting frustrated, especially because I had passed a number of tests with excellent results and had put a lot of examples of my work as a writer in my portfolio.
I had posted in the forums complaining about not getting any work and someone who had a look at my profile complimented me by saying it was one of the best they had seen and the employers should be queueing up to offer me work! This was very encouraging but I still had to apply for a lot of jobs and accept a very low rate of pay.
That is the bad side of oDesk: most employers there are offering a pittance of a wage and what can best be described as slave labour online. Some of the adverts are an insult to professional writers because they are asking ridiculous amounts of work for very small amounts of pay. I have seen ads wanting writers at $1 an hour or worse and stating that unless you are prepared to work for this amount don't bother applying.
Sadly many people from poor countries do apply for these jobs. Many of the employers specify "Filipinos only need apply." It gave me a real taste of how poor many people really are out there and how desperate these people are to get work and earn money.
The next problem I encountered is that the employers often cannot write or speak very good English themselves, and yet they have the nerve to criticise what you have done and ask for rewrites and make suggestions even when they are only paying some small amount like $6 an hour. Some do not explain what they want properly either so it becomes a matter of guesswork.
One of the worst jobs I had was some guy who wanted a bio for his client a singer and songwriter done. I got taken on easily enough because they could see I have had a lot of success in music and knew what I was talking about. However, I then discovered that the artist I had to write about hadn't even decided on what name he wanted to be known as plus he was unable to give me any useful information such as gigs he had played, or name drop any famous people he was associated with. I said could he give me any magazines you have been in, recommendations from people in the music business, radio stations that have been playing your songs etc but got nothing really in response. There was nothing special about the songs anyway - just typical hip-hop style material - and it seemed to me that I was dealing with an unsigned novice with very big dreams but no idea how to achieve them .
I had already pointed out to my employer and his client that it was important to choose a name well because many acts such as Elton John, Marc Bolan, Cliff Richard and The Stereophonics became famous after they did this. They agreed with me that this made a lot of sense.
Weeks of time went by with an interchange of emails in which I was giving my advice for free before I got to start to writing the bio. I mailed it to both the employer and the singer and then heard no more. I then got worried I was being ripped off. Finally I got a reply from the employer saying his client wasn't happy with it so they had tried some other writers and they were no good too so in the end the singer had written his own bio. Because of the work I had done I was told I would get paid $5 anyway.
Of course I accepted it but I felt like I had been dealing with idiots who hadn't a clue about the real music business and an average singer with a massive ego if he really thought he was the next big thing with what he had recorded!
I also worked at a low rate for a magazine in Asia and that was OK getting started and to get some feedback, but they contacted me again privately and asked me to do two more articles for which I would be paid the same rates. Although I was given very poor instructions as to what was wanted one of the articles even after a rewrite was deemed not what they wanted.
I have yet to find an employer on oDesk that will pay me anywhere near as much as professional rates I have had from other publications but I have made some income from the site. I know that Sufidreamer and others have had much better luck there so it is possible to get good pay.
My advice is that oDesk is fine to look for work but be prepared to wait a while to find any and to watch out for the sort of situations I have described.
Copyright © 2011 Steve Andrews. All Rights Reserved.
Update
Since I published this hub I have decided that the bad points about oDesk far outweigh its good and have not visited or used the site for several months. Most of the employers are offering slave labour pay for our work and my answer to this is to not accept.
The rates of pay are an insult to anyone who is any good as a writer or other profession that can look for work on the site. I have also been approached by employers but have not accepted their offers. Until rates of pay go up a lot I will not be using oDesk.
My oDesk link
- Steven Andrews - Freelance Article Writer and Journalist - Native English speaker - Freelancer - Tec
Over the past 12 years I have written professionally for many publications and websites. I have contributed to Prediction, Feed Your Brain and Permaculture magazines and had a column in Big Issue and Living Tenerife. I have also written for the Tener
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Hi, I have just started on a site like this called Myams.net, you have articles that you pick and you can start with a 300 one, and that will pay you 2 dollars! but it only takes ten minutes, and you don't have to know a lot about the product only make sure you add the keywords! I will have to see how it goes!
"My advice is that oDesk is fine to look for work but be prepared to wait a while to find any and to watch out for the sort of situations I have described."
Mr. Bard of Ely, these are golden words. And so very true. Since oDesk is a market, expect to find some haggling. lol
Seriously, focusing enough time and genuine interest to your oDesk endeavors will bear long lasting fruits for your career.
Thank you for such a shining hub about oDesk! It made my day today! :D
Hi Steve,
As you know, I am an Odesker. In the interests of fairness - especially given the first comment you received there - I'd just like to reiterate your point that Odesk works out better for some than others. I have regular work there and I feel fairly paid for it.
As an international community Odesk does attract some cheap-skate employers who are happy to exploit people willing to work for $1 an hour. That wouldn't feed my rabbit so it goes without saying that I am not working for those kind of employers on Odesk.
There is also another way to look at it. The screensnap utility on Odesk enables you to work for employers all over the world on an hourly basis. I have both received work directly on Odesk and have invited employers to join Odesk for ease of admin and accounts.
Good Hub, Steve - That sounds like a pretty typical start for a freelance writer on oDesk! I haven't worked on there for a while, so I am not up to date with the latest rates - I hope that there are still a few good assignments on the boards.
One little tip is to develop a niche and try to become a 'go to' guy - I used to go for academic work, for which you can charge a higher rate. Your experience as a musician and traveller may well be good starting points.
Best of luck and I hope that it gets better - with the recent Google changes causing a drop in income, I might have to start looking on there again!
I regularly employ Freelance writers and find you get what you pay for. As enticing and good value as finding cheap overseas writers is, in my experience the quality is never good. Most of the info is badly paraphrased from other online articles, which is bad for the site's SEO. The readability is often dicey and simplistic, and there's little personality in the work.
It's been a long time since I've used anyone like that, and to be honest, I won't in future as I think it rubs the readers up the wrong way too. There's no substitute for local knowledge and understanding of the culture.
Unfortunately there are too many out there who are happy to put up 3rd and 4th rate content which costs next to nothing, because as we all know - content is what Google wants and why there's so many cruddy scraper, low grade adsense sites on the web.
If you're looking for more freelance stuff, word of mouth is often the best way to get it. My current freelancers are there either from word of mouth or because I'm aware of their skills as a writer. Drop us a line with some of your pricing and areas of expertise, I may be able to send a couple of interested parties your way.
Cheers, Steve - another thing I just remembered (after posting on Sunforged's Hub) is that it is a good idea to buy a domain name and set up your own freelance writing site, because you can charge higher rates privately. Even if you just throw up a couple of pages until you have more time, it will give the search engines something to get their teeth into. :)
Good post from the other side of the equation, Dave - I liked the point about 'personality.' That is my main selling point as a writer, and I think the same applies to Steve - his warm personality shines through in his articles :)
Impressive writing as always - I am just learning about all the places that offer these free lance jobs - I am surprised at how little pay they want to give you all for the creativity and entertainment that you give back! I also read all the comments and picked up some interesting bits there as well! Thank you for the info!
Thanks as always for giving me something interesting to read while I sip my coffee:-)!
I don't like any of these sites because writers have to compete against each other and that means it's an employer's market. Worse, because there are so many writers, and many writers are prepared to work for pittance, the odds are that one is never really going to earn a decent wage from these sites. In major magazines, one earns between $1 and $2 per word. There the work lasts only as long as the life of the edition. On the web, the lifespan of the article is - for life! :)
@Bard. I spoke to several writers in LA about 3 years back about what was happening. They worked for major publications and they were compelled to take enormous salary cuts. I also spoke to the manager of one of the TV stations in San Diego. He said that writing jobs had dropped 30% in three years and that the major TV stations had dropped their news writers - and if one was competing against writers like that, one might as well forget it. I don't know what the answers are but I personally believe that we're back to a feudal system by another name.
It is indeed a fact that some of the Odesk assignments are very cheaply paid ones which can only attract people needing that type of income......there is another such site elance.com which offer such tit bit jobs for the freelancers.....
@Bard. We are agreed on that. If I am to work for a pittance, it will, at least, be my own pittance! I'm not making someone else rich at my expense. Huffington made all her writers work for nothing and now she has sold the Huffington Post for millions! And none of the writers got a blue bean for it.
Americans are taught at school and at university that if they want a job, they must prove their ability first and that the way to do it is to work for nothing. Business people are taught that if they want to make a lot of profit, one of the major ways is to get people to work for you for nothing. Writers are taught to believe that a byline will gain them attention. The truth is that an experienced editor will read through two paragraphs of your writing and it will tell him whether you can write or not. That's the way it was done in the old days. Many people write for nothing because they think it will lead somewhere. Yes, it does - it makes the people they write for rich!
voted up and useful. didn't know you and sufidreamer were hubbers, would have been your fans earlier than today. :)
I'm glad you wrote this hub. And I love reading all the comments.
"As for the "feudal system" conspiracy theorists would agree that that was part of the game plan of the elite who run the show!"
While I do believe this to be true the question remains is what we can do about it? The only solution I have ever heard of is to become an entrepreneur. Yet how many of us can actually do that?
Useful and very interesting read, Bard. Thanks for posting this hub.
Very useful Hub. My worst experience on ODesk was my very first project. I was then hired for a second project with a different client and that went well. Then the second client invited me to do another project for which he quickly published (online) the 1st of the 8 articles I wrote and has yet to pay me anything. Even if I post the articles, it will only help him as multiple articles for sales of a relationship how to series. He stopped responding 6 days ago and this makes me 1 for 3. Never had these issues on ELance.
I have to say... you hit the nail right on the head.
Getting paid 1USD per hour and sometimes 1USD for every 500 words is really insulting. 1USD is about 43 Philippine Pesos. It does not even let you buy a burger.
In my case, I've been contacted by many employers offering me 1USD per hour. Probably because I'm Filipino.
It's really insulting and very discouraging.



















lmmartin Level 6 Commenter 15 months ago
The global sweatshop... I have seen some of their ads and ran away. Some of the rates worked out to less than .01/word. Good write-up. Lynda