The Gurdjieff work by a former member
78My experiences as a member of the Gurdjieff work
George Ivanovitch Gurdjieff is perhaps not a name that is so well known and yet as a mystic and philosopher he had and still has a large following of people interested in learning his system of knowledge.
Gurdjieff was born in Armenia in 1866 or 1877 (even this is not known for certain) and the story goes that as a young man he became fascinated by the unexplained and paranormal mysteries of life and decided he would set out into the world to find out what it was all about. This he did and his travels took him from the Caucusus to Egypt, Asia and to the Himalayas.
He also spent time studying Sufi traditions and eventually formulated a system of knowledge he brought back to teach in the Western world. Gurdjieff's travels were before 1912 when he returned to Moscow but exact details are sketchy because they are mainly based on what he said he did.
Gurdjeff travelled in Europe in 1921 and 1922 but he had a car accident in 1924, which nearly killed him. Whilst recovering he wrote Beelzebub's Tales To His Grandson.
Gurdjieff, or G as he was also known, taught that there were four paths to knowledge - that of the monk, the fakir, the yogi and the fourth way, which equated with a new human that he was trying to create.
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PD Ouspensky and The Fourth Way
His avid follower PD Ouspensky pushed the term the fourth way much more than his teacher ever did and went on to write books on the subject including In Search of the Miraculous - Fragments of an Unknown Teaching and The Fourth Way.
Gurdjieff wrote three books in a series known as All and Everything - Beelzebub's Tales To His Grandson, Meetings With Remarkable Men and Life Is Real Only Then, When I Am. The first of these is a very lengthy work of some 1,000 pages in the form of a Science-fiction story with Beelzebub as an extraterrestrial aboard a spacecraft returning to his home planet. He is telling his grandson Hassan all about the ยท"three-brained beings" that breed on the planet Earth and about their pecularities and his time amongst them.
In many ways it was made deliberately hard to read with very long convoluted sentences and a whole vocabulary of bizarre words such as Heptaparaparshinokh and the Common-Cosmic Trogoautoegocrat law. Published in 1950, it deals in the history of the world from Atlantean times up until the modern era and often pokes fun at the customs of people and their belief systems. In fact it is a very funny book in many ways - both funny peculiar and funny ha-ha.
Meetings With Remarkable Men, which was made into a film starring Terence Stamp, details all the people he met (and a dog) that Gurdjieff felt in some way stood out and taught him something he needed to know. Life Is Real Only Then,'When I Am' contains autobiographical material and some lectures he had given. He also wrote The Herald of Coming Good, which came out in 1933.
Gurdjieff was seeking to wake people up from their robotic and sleeping ways and taught a group of followers whom he attracted.He taught that there was such a thing as "super effort" and an example would be you walk from A to B then from B to A and finally from A to B and then you have completed that walk. He also taught complex dance routines.
Gurdjieff focused on how hypnotised and asleep everyone was and how this led to insane conditions like war, which he defined as a "mass human psychosis."
There were and are many things said about Gurdjieff - that he was a master hypnotist, that he had other powers including being able to be in two places at once, that he was actually a spy, that he met and was an advisor to the Dalai Lama, that Hitler met him and regarded him as a "superman" and that Aleister Crowley was also impressed with him and that the two had met. There are also some who have wanted to debunk Gurdjieff and his teachings and say he was a very clever conman and a charlatan with a huge ego and a lot of charisma. Whatever the truth, Gurdjieff remains a true man of mystery.
In around 1976 I became a member of the British Gurdjieff work after seeing a notice advertising for interested people to get in touch. Only a small number were accepted and we had regular meetings in Chapter Arts centre in Cardiff and also weekend all day workshops at a house in Wincanton in Somerset that was owned by our teachers George and Dorothy Philpotts. They had been actual pupils of Gurdjieff.
At meetings we discussed selected passages from the Gurdjieff books and were given mental exercises to do in our own time. I remember one of these was to look out a window at a particular time each day for a week and see what was going on. And another was to be aware of yourself and your tools and your environment whilst working.
That last one I remember because I had been put to work in the garden in Wincanton and was focusing on my spade and the soil and the worms and insects in it. I spoke about it at the group discussion we had that day and I said I felt that I was the earth and the spade for a moment.
At the Wincanton meetings group members were given different tasks such as gardening, cleaning the house or preparing the meals and we would have breaks to talk and share our opinions on the day's work. At the end of the day we had a large meal and most excellent home-made wines were available.
I remember there were rules about the washing up and whoever was doing it had to rinse every item under running water so there were no traces of suds. This served two purposes - to ensure the plates and dishes were as clean as possible, and secondly to make you make the best possible effort in your work. There was the threat of if George or Dorothy inspected it all and found any suds then you had to wash the entire lot again.
I also remember that group members would be inclined to believe that George and Dorothy had special powers and that they could read our minds, for example.
One time I asked about what UFOs were and the answer I was given was that they exist but are not on this "ray of creation" and that basically we should be concentrating on doing all we could to work on ourselves in this one.
I eventually left the group due to various ties and problems in my personal life at the time and will always remember that I was told, as advice for the future, that the only relatively safe pathway to follow besides Gurdjieff's teachings was the work of Krishnamurti.
I feel that I learned a lot in my time in the Gurdjieff work but I never took up studying Krishnamurti for some reason. Many writers and thinkers have been influenced by or have looked into Gurdjieff's work. Kate Bush makes reference to him in her songs. In Them Heavy People she sings:
"They open doorways that I thought were shut for good.They read me Gurdjieff and Jesu. They build up my body, break me emotionally. It's nearly killing me, but what a lovely feeling!"
For more info on Gurdjieff there is a good article here: http://www.gurdjieff.org/munson1.htm
And Gurdjieff in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurdjieff
Tribute to Gurdjieff with actual footage of him
Gurdjieff sacred dance from Meetings With Remarkable Men film
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You should do it! I'll buy it! But I know, it's so much work to put everything down that way. Every so often someone will tell me, you should write your autobiography, and it makes me tired just thinking about it! Anyway, when you get around to it, I'll buy the first copy.
Yes Steve "Seemed Like Good Idea at the Time" is a great title for your autobiography. You should start by posting in on HubPages. Nice to read about Gurdjieff. I read that he lived on Clavados, turkish cigarettes and strong coffee, which I think is miraculous in itself.
"Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time" is something I find myself saying almost daily! Based on your hubs, I would definitely read your autobiography.
Very Interesting -
this is a great bio and very thorough, I will have to check G out !
I learned about Gurdjieff while researching P.L. Travers. Yes, P.L. Travers, creator of Mary Poppins!
My daughter had asked me if Mary Poppins was a shaman. I hadn't read the books since grade school but from what I remembered of them, it struck me that there were some similarities so I read them again. I'd forgotten a lot and hadn't understood even more! Reading about Traver's background introduced me to Gurdjieff.
Great hub Steve. I came across Gurdjieff a couple of years ago whilst reading some books on Egypt and the Magi by Alan F Alford, who I think studied under Ouspensky. Its been quite difficult for me to come across books in the public library by Gurdjieff and Ouspensky (well where I live anyhow) as they all seem to be hidden away in prison libraries or are consistently out on loan or have a 6 month waiting list. I was even told by one librarian that I needed to be affiliated to a university to be able to take loan of the books! I have yet to read the books for myself as I was interested in his theories, and those writers of esoteric matters that he has influenced.
I've just started reading Fourth Way teachings and I thank you for sharing your experiences here!
I was very interested to read this as I was involved in George and Dorothy's group for 22 years, from 1986 (which must have been after you left) until Dorothy died, aged 92, in April 2008 (George died 2 years earlier aged 90). It would have been ridiculous to say that they had super powers, although they lived very disciplined and balanced lives and had a keen insight into what individual people were like essentially. I'm now experimenting with writing about my experiences. I can only say that, for me personally, the experience of being in the group was predominately a positive one.
I do indeed know Fred Daly, he's quite a character!
Hello Mr. Bard.....and Geoff (hope all is well)....I was also involved with Wincanton. For my part I thank George & Dorothy for all their help, although I felt Wincanton became like stagnant water towards the end. I am glad for John and Teresa Cook who are working harder than ever......good move guys.
Hi Mr Bard, I'm sorry my surname isn't Martin, but I'm willing to change it by deed pole, if it helps the thread ;-)
I read some Gurdjieff back in the seventies and early eighties. I also read "In Search of the Miraculous," an esoteric view of modern physics, as I recall. Gurdjieff was a mystic, or perhaps he was simply very slick. I think much of mysticism is practicing self-control and utilizing wisdom, which comes with age, of course. Using such logic, everybody should be a mystic by the age of 40 or 50. What say ye, Sir Bard? Later!
I don't see why you'd have to study Krishnamurti if you've already done serious Gurdjieff work. The two are too similar for there to be any use in jumping from one to the other.
Among all myths I've heard about Gurdjieff one drawn most of my attention. It is that G. was hiding his birthdate, but if some of his high initiates had to know it they had to give a vow not to tell it anyone ever by any price. Also that brotherhoods across Middle East are sworn will take anyone who finds it out for a death sentence.
Also, I've heard that one school of same power but different path had that as the main argument when some of 4th Way ministers were asking them to convert.
It also says that G.'s school was to try to overcome the specific astral influence on Earth, one that makes us follow different paths which can cause lots of damage to students of such schools and people from certain brotherhoods on their paths, astral influence that though we can all progress towards the aim 4th Way has and some other schools, we finish scattered on paths, so G. had a mission to superimpose 4th Way as the only way and the highest esoteric authority.
It would be fun to read G.'s natal chart though he was always trying to designify astrology.
Chris Stone gave me a copy of All And Everything and a copy of Meetings Wit...etc. G's train-of-thought and mental capacities (mentation) have taught me things I can't speak of (but he could) because I'm one of the robots he woke-up from hypnotic slavery to despots who still suffers from the habit he mentioned.... about how our whole being is in a rut of habitual reinforced re-enactment scenarios... he said it better but I know what he was on about :-) PS Happy New Millenium
Very interesting. I've been persevering through Ouspensky's book for a while now and it is well worth it.
Thank you fen and electro! I also find Ouspensky's books fascinating, Gs obsession with Mullah Naser-el-Edin amazing, as I grew up in Balkans and I used to listen to old men's stories about Nassradin Hodjah since a tad.
But in my life, before I even could get in contact with local 4th Way teachers I became interested in Wicca and I became a spirit keeper (practice that involves keeping entities like Djinn, genie). i was refused every time.























pgrundy 3 years ago
I remember reading "The Strange Life of Ivan Osokin" in college in a class on Existentialism--It's kind of like the movie "Groundhog's Day" only more dark and Russian. What an interesting hub, and what an interesting life you've had. You could make a book out of all of your experiences--CJ said you are in his middle book a lot, I can see why.
I've dabbled in many mystical traditions and never committed to any of them. I think I'm a spiritual tourist. I think it's ok though--I mean somebody has to support the spiritual economy, it might as well be me!
Thanks for this, it's a great read!